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		<title>By: Alte</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/12/it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I have spoken with others at church and we&#039;re all slowly coming to this conclusion. It is quite heartening, actually. Once I realized that good could come of our persecution, I traded in my purely ornamental jewelry for my personal &quot;kick me, I&#039;m Catholic&quot; sign (i.e. my crucifix).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have spoken with others at church and we&#8217;re all slowly coming to this conclusion. It is quite heartening, actually. Once I realized that good could come of our persecution, I traded in my purely ornamental jewelry for my personal &#8220;kick me, I&#8217;m Catholic&#8221; sign (i.e. my crucifix).</p>
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		<title>By: BillLewis</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/12/it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8841</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Felipe,

Yes, mainstream Presbyterianism in the US is liberal, but there are conservative/traditional Presbyterian denominations. Those that are members of either the North American Presbyterian and Reformed Council (NAPARC), or the International Conference of Reformed Churches (ICRC) (or both), are Bible-based churches with traditional teachings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felipe,</p>
<p>Yes, mainstream Presbyterianism in the US is liberal, but there are conservative/traditional Presbyterian denominations. Those that are members of either the North American Presbyterian and Reformed Council (NAPARC), or the International Conference of Reformed Churches (ICRC) (or both), are Bible-based churches with traditional teachings.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarl</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/12/it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8810</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Proph,

&lt;i&gt;Canon law permits a priest to deny communion only under very specific circumstances (the sin must be grave, public, manifest, and obstinate), and it’s not clear that the “obstinate” part, at least, was met according to the standards normally employed in the evaluation of these cases.&lt;/i&gt;

A boastful lesbian activist would seem to fit the description of &quot;grave, public, manifest, and obstinate sinner&quot; quite perfectly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Proph,</p>
<p><i>Canon law permits a priest to deny communion only under very specific circumstances (the sin must be grave, public, manifest, and obstinate), and it’s not clear that the “obstinate” part, at least, was met according to the standards normally employed in the evaluation of these cases.</i></p>
<p>A boastful lesbian activist would seem to fit the description of &#8220;grave, public, manifest, and obstinate sinner&#8221; quite perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarl</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/12/it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8809</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apropos of Welby, I found the title of this story hilarious:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9667071/Justin-Welby-is-the-Alpha-male-tosave-the-Church-of-England.html

&quot;Justin Welby is the Alpha male to save the Church of England&quot;

Just look at the photo of Welby right below that statement. Does he look like an alpha male to you? If this creature is alpha, what must British beta males look like?

But yet later in the story it is revealed that &quot;Alpha&quot; is some sort of &quot;course of Christian instruction&quot; in Britain... though what Welby has to do with this is not clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of Welby, I found the title of this story hilarious:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9667071/Justin-Welby-is-the-Alpha-male-tosave-the-Church-of-England.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9667071/Justin-Welby-is-the-Alpha-male-tosave-the-Church-of-England.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Justin Welby is the Alpha male to save the Church of England&#8221;</p>
<p>Just look at the photo of Welby right below that statement. Does he look like an alpha male to you? If this creature is alpha, what must British beta males look like?</p>
<p>But yet later in the story it is revealed that &#8220;Alpha&#8221; is some sort of &#8220;course of Christian instruction&#8221; in Britain&#8230; though what Welby has to do with this is not clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristor</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/12/it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8715</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a response to Alte&#039;s comment at 1:52 AM on 11/14/12, but really it applies to the whole thread. Running errands this afternoon I was listening to Catholic Radio, and they were interviewing Barbara McWiggin (sp?) of Fighting the Good Fight (her own show on Catholic Radio). She recounted the story of how St. Monica prayed that her son Augustine would not venture forth into the fleshpots of Italy to teach, there to be forever lost to her efforts to convert him. Her prayers were denied; Augustine left. Her heart broke as he sailed away. But in Italy he heard St. Ambrose preach, and was converted. So Monica&#039;s prayers were met in a way she could not have anticipated, and that, indeed, seemed like the bittermost rejection of her prayers. 

McWiggin suggested that what seems to us to be an imminent sojourn in a harsh, godless desert, and the end of all our hopes, might in fact turn out to be a necessary step in a journey toward the Provided Promised Land. We are entering a crisis. Like every crisis, it is (among other things) a crisis of faith. We ourselves may be persecuted, even unto death. But who can tell what seeds of glory our blood might nourish? Who can tell how many thousands might be inspired to turn to a different way of life, by the example of our simple fortitude?

God, grant me a bit of wisdom and courage, for the facing of this hour.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a response to Alte&#8217;s comment at 1:52 AM on 11/14/12, but really it applies to the whole thread. Running errands this afternoon I was listening to Catholic Radio, and they were interviewing Barbara McWiggin (sp?) of Fighting the Good Fight (her own show on Catholic Radio). She recounted the story of how St. Monica prayed that her son Augustine would not venture forth into the fleshpots of Italy to teach, there to be forever lost to her efforts to convert him. Her prayers were denied; Augustine left. Her heart broke as he sailed away. But in Italy he heard St. Ambrose preach, and was converted. So Monica&#8217;s prayers were met in a way she could not have anticipated, and that, indeed, seemed like the bittermost rejection of her prayers. </p>
<p>McWiggin suggested that what seems to us to be an imminent sojourn in a harsh, godless desert, and the end of all our hopes, might in fact turn out to be a necessary step in a journey toward the Provided Promised Land. We are entering a crisis. Like every crisis, it is (among other things) a crisis of faith. We ourselves may be persecuted, even unto death. But who can tell what seeds of glory our blood might nourish? Who can tell how many thousands might be inspired to turn to a different way of life, by the example of our simple fortitude?</p>
<p>God, grant me a bit of wisdom and courage, for the facing of this hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Alte</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/12/it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8714</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;For a long time I thought this was a bad attitude, but now I see it might actually be the way to go.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m starting to get the same idea. I think we&#039;re going to have to wake up and realize that we&#039;re a relatively small minority in the American (and Western) population now. Even among white people, most don&#039;t share our religious views. They believe in Jesus, but they don&#039;t really care about Him. They don&#039;t honor His Laws, they don&#039;t worry about denying His Love, they don&#039;t spend significant parts of their day meditating on His Word and struggling with His Teachings.

I think recognizing that will help us get our own house in order. Perhaps we need to take this time to clean out and repair what is broken. Perhaps we need to focus on preparing ourselves for what is coming, rather than trying to stop the wreck we see ahead of us. Perhaps we need to wake up and see that our lives are going to totally suck for a while, but that it&#039;s all part of Providence, and our eagerness to spare ourselves this fate shows a lack of trust in that Providence.

Perhaps it&#039;s time for a trial by fire. Maybe a bit of purgatory will do us all some good.

Or maybe I&#039;m just sinking into fatalism. I don&#039;t know which.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For a long time I thought this was a bad attitude, but now I see it might actually be the way to go.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to get the same idea. I think we&#8217;re going to have to wake up and realize that we&#8217;re a relatively small minority in the American (and Western) population now. Even among white people, most don&#8217;t share our religious views. They believe in Jesus, but they don&#8217;t really care about Him. They don&#8217;t honor His Laws, they don&#8217;t worry about denying His Love, they don&#8217;t spend significant parts of their day meditating on His Word and struggling with His Teachings.</p>
<p>I think recognizing that will help us get our own house in order. Perhaps we need to take this time to clean out and repair what is broken. Perhaps we need to focus on preparing ourselves for what is coming, rather than trying to stop the wreck we see ahead of us. Perhaps we need to wake up and see that our lives are going to totally suck for a while, but that it&#8217;s all part of Providence, and our eagerness to spare ourselves this fate shows a lack of trust in that Providence.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s time for a trial by fire. Maybe a bit of purgatory will do us all some good.</p>
<p>Or maybe I&#8217;m just sinking into fatalism. I don&#8217;t know which.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Proph, you have a good point there. It is not the same thing not living up to the standards that we hold to lowering the standards such that we can all feel good about ourselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proph, you have a good point there. It is not the same thing not living up to the standards that we hold to lowering the standards such that we can all feel good about ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce B.</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/12/it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8702</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can’t say as I’m not part of the AC. We separated in the 1950’s and 1960’s. We look to the early, undivided Churches and those things clearly aren’t allowed by the early Church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t say as I’m not part of the AC. We separated in the 1950’s and 1960’s. We look to the early, undivided Churches and those things clearly aren’t allowed by the early Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Proph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Proph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That particular situation was annoying indeed, but a little more complicated than superficial reports let on. Canon law permits a priest to deny communion only under very specific circumstances (the sin must be grave, public, manifest, and obstinate), and it&#039;s not clear that the &quot;obstinate&quot; part, at least, was met according to the standards normally employed in the evaluation of these cases. That said, Fr. Guarnizo was clearly not a canonist and was acting in good faith, the dyke was clearly angling to get a priest in trouble, and it&#039;s disgraceful that Card. Wuerl was so eager to oblige her.

But it&#039;s telling that we can say that this sort of thing goes against Catholic teaching. When a Catholic celebrates &quot;gay weddings&quot; or &quot;ordains&quot; women, etc., we can definitely and unambiguously say that they are bad Catholics. We could not necessarily say the same of Anglicans in identical situations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That particular situation was annoying indeed, but a little more complicated than superficial reports let on. Canon law permits a priest to deny communion only under very specific circumstances (the sin must be grave, public, manifest, and obstinate), and it&#8217;s not clear that the &#8220;obstinate&#8221; part, at least, was met according to the standards normally employed in the evaluation of these cases. That said, Fr. Guarnizo was clearly not a canonist and was acting in good faith, the dyke was clearly angling to get a priest in trouble, and it&#8217;s disgraceful that Card. Wuerl was so eager to oblige her.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s telling that we can say that this sort of thing goes against Catholic teaching. When a Catholic celebrates &#8220;gay weddings&#8221; or &#8220;ordains&#8221; women, etc., we can definitely and unambiguously say that they are bad Catholics. We could not necessarily say the same of Anglicans in identical situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce B.</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/12/it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Proph,
Unfortunately ,whether or not the priest gets in trouble probably depends a lot on who the Bishop is. Remember the priest who was recently removed from his parish (in D.C. I think) for denying the boastful, unrepentant lesbian activist the Holy Eucharist at her mother’s funeral? Unbelievable! The priest actually acts as if he really believes the Churches’ teaching on Holy Communion and practices true Christian love and charity by not allowing her to eat and drink damnation on herself and the bishop removes him for it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proph,<br />
Unfortunately ,whether or not the priest gets in trouble probably depends a lot on who the Bishop is. Remember the priest who was recently removed from his parish (in D.C. I think) for denying the boastful, unrepentant lesbian activist the Holy Eucharist at her mother’s funeral? Unbelievable! The priest actually acts as if he really believes the Churches’ teaching on Holy Communion and practices true Christian love and charity by not allowing her to eat and drink damnation on herself and the bishop removes him for it!</p>
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