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		<title>By: Christian Salvation is Not Visible to the Naked Eye &#171; The Orthosphere</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] that since our salvation is only by repentance and faith in Christ, Satan’s ultimate designs are served just as well by outward piety and order as by obviously [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Defining Christianity: Why Be a Christian? Part IV &#171; The Orthosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Defining Christianity: Why Be a Christian? Part IV &#171; The Orthosphere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UNDERSTANDING THE BRAND &#124; christoid</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Defining Christianity: Why Be a Christian? Part III &#171; The Orthosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Defining Christianity: Why Be a Christian? Part III &#171; The Orthosphere]]></dc:creator>
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		<title>By: The Revelation of the Gospel (Galatians 1) - Bible Devotional &#124; eDevotional</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/14/defining-christianity-why-be-a-christian-part-i/#comment-9186</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alan Roebuck</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/14/defining-christianity-why-be-a-christian-part-i/#comment-9030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Roebuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“…I tend to start from something vaguely materialist as the default viewpoint…” 

Problem: You cannot take “no” as the default position. Materialism does not prove that the material is all that exists, it simply assumes it. But this is illogical. Whenever materialists think they have evidence for materialism, they are, whether overtly or covertly, assuming what they think they are proving.

The most basic apologetic for God and the Bible is Jesus Christ. If the biblical account of him is basically correct (we do not need to assume inerrancy at this point) then there is a god.

You cannot say that the miracle accounts have to be false, because you don’t know that materialism is true. If the miracles did happen, then we would have exactly the evidence for them that we do have: widespread accounts of them, people refusing to renounce Jesus even at the cost of their lives, people enough moved by the miracles and personality and teachings of Christ to found a worldwide church, and so on.

If Jesus came back from the dead, then his teaching is vindicated. And he taught that Old Testament Scripture is entirely true and God-breathed. And since those he trained wrote the New Testament, we have confidence that the NT is also God’s word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…I tend to start from something vaguely materialist as the default viewpoint…” </p>
<p>Problem: You cannot take “no” as the default position. Materialism does not prove that the material is all that exists, it simply assumes it. But this is illogical. Whenever materialists think they have evidence for materialism, they are, whether overtly or covertly, assuming what they think they are proving.</p>
<p>The most basic apologetic for God and the Bible is Jesus Christ. If the biblical account of him is basically correct (we do not need to assume inerrancy at this point) then there is a god.</p>
<p>You cannot say that the miracle accounts have to be false, because you don’t know that materialism is true. If the miracles did happen, then we would have exactly the evidence for them that we do have: widespread accounts of them, people refusing to renounce Jesus even at the cost of their lives, people enough moved by the miracles and personality and teachings of Christ to found a worldwide church, and so on.</p>
<p>If Jesus came back from the dead, then his teaching is vindicated. And he taught that Old Testament Scripture is entirely true and God-breathed. And since those he trained wrote the New Testament, we have confidence that the NT is also God’s word.</p>
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		<title>By: mstevens</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/14/defining-christianity-why-be-a-christian-part-i/#comment-8943</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your reply. I had read you as going for more of a &quot;convert the unbeliever&quot; angle than you apparently were.

I would say my general angle is pretty materialist, with perhaps buddhist sympathies (although I don&#039;t count myself as a buddhist).

For my Christian sympathies, I&#039;ve always rather liked CS Lewis, with the obvious disagreement on the whole god thing. I&#039;m not quite sure where you guys would place him! My guess is he might not be quite traditional enough, although he does seem fairly traditional.

It is, I suspect, not popular around here, but I tend to start from something vaguely materialist as the default viewpoint and feel it&#039;s God and the bible that need justifying.

Looking at your link, evidentialism seems like the potentially valid approach, but obviously it has never convinced (or I&#039;d be one of you!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply. I had read you as going for more of a &#8220;convert the unbeliever&#8221; angle than you apparently were.</p>
<p>I would say my general angle is pretty materialist, with perhaps buddhist sympathies (although I don&#8217;t count myself as a buddhist).</p>
<p>For my Christian sympathies, I&#8217;ve always rather liked CS Lewis, with the obvious disagreement on the whole god thing. I&#8217;m not quite sure where you guys would place him! My guess is he might not be quite traditional enough, although he does seem fairly traditional.</p>
<p>It is, I suspect, not popular around here, but I tend to start from something vaguely materialist as the default viewpoint and feel it&#8217;s God and the bible that need justifying.</p>
<p>Looking at your link, evidentialism seems like the potentially valid approach, but obviously it has never convinced (or I&#8217;d be one of you!)</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Roebuck</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/14/defining-christianity-why-be-a-christian-part-i/#comment-8939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Roebuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Stevens,

Glad to hear you’re interested in Christianity.

The questions of whether Christianity is true and exactly what it teaches are distinct, with distinct methods. This series assumes that the reader is basically Christian, but is not sure about the basics.

Since theology is not mathematics, there is no one correct way to prove God or the truth of the Bible. It depends on the individual: his temperament, his training, his experiences. For a general approach to apologetics, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://orthosphere.org/resources/christian-apologetics-giving-reasons-to-believe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  

It would help if we could know your general approach to these questions (e.g., are you a materialist? An agnostic?) and what you see as the main reasons why you reject God and the truth of the Bible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Stevens,</p>
<p>Glad to hear you’re interested in Christianity.</p>
<p>The questions of whether Christianity is true and exactly what it teaches are distinct, with distinct methods. This series assumes that the reader is basically Christian, but is not sure about the basics.</p>
<p>Since theology is not mathematics, there is no one correct way to prove God or the truth of the Bible. It depends on the individual: his temperament, his training, his experiences. For a general approach to apologetics, see <a href="http://orthosphere.org/resources/christian-apologetics-giving-reasons-to-believe/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  </p>
<p>It would help if we could know your general approach to these questions (e.g., are you a materialist? An agnostic?) and what you see as the main reasons why you reject God and the truth of the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: mstevens</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/14/defining-christianity-why-be-a-christian-part-i/#comment-8930</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mstevens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading this post, I was expecting to hear all about (a) why the Christian God exists and (b) the bible is true.

These facts seem to be the obvious starting point for trying to sell me on any bible based arguments.

This seems like a common theme in pro-Christian arguments to me - (a) and (b) seem like really the heart of the matter, and yet everyone trying to convert the unbeliever skips over them and goes straight to justifying things based on the bible. You can&#039;t use the bible as an authority till you&#039;ve convinced me it is one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this post, I was expecting to hear all about (a) why the Christian God exists and (b) the bible is true.</p>
<p>These facts seem to be the obvious starting point for trying to sell me on any bible based arguments.</p>
<p>This seems like a common theme in pro-Christian arguments to me &#8211; (a) and (b) seem like really the heart of the matter, and yet everyone trying to convert the unbeliever skips over them and goes straight to justifying things based on the bible. You can&#8217;t use the bible as an authority till you&#8217;ve convinced me it is one!</p>
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		<title>By: ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS! &#171; &#34;Working for Christ&#34;</title>
		<link>http://orthosphere.org/2012/11/14/defining-christianity-why-be-a-christian-part-i/#comment-8894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS! &#171; &#34;Working for Christ&#34;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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